I'm sorry if this is annoying, don't feel like you should answer! I've heard a good way to train dogs is to mimic pack behaviour and hierachy- which includes nips and stuff (replicated by what could be seen as aggression) I was wondering why its bad?
No that’s okay it’s a very common misconception (and one that needs to die).
Firstly, dogs are not wolves. And dogs do not form cohesive packs like wolves do (and dominance-submission relationships are purely based on access to resources btw).
Dogs have diverged significantly from wolves in the last 15,000 years. Ancestral wolves evolved as hunters and now generally live in packs consisting most often of family members (Mech 2000).Pack members cooperate to hunt and to take care of offspring. In a given year, generally only the alpha male and alpha female mate, so that the resources of the entire pack can be focused on their one litter. Dogs, on the other hand, evolved as scavengers rather than hunters (Coppinger and Coppinger 2002). Those who were the least fearful, compared to their human-shy counterparts, were best able to survive off the trash and waste of humans and reproduce in this environment. Currently, free-roaming dogs live in small groups rather than cohesive packs, and in some cases spend much of their time alone (MacDonald and Carr 1995). They do not generally cooperate to hunt or to raise their offspring, and virtually all males and females have the opportunity to mate (Boitani et al. 1995)
So now that we’ve established that, let’s look at how dogs interact with each other. Dogs have specific behaviours called appeasement behaviours which are designed to diffuse conflict and ask for space. This is because getting into a fight by being overly aggressive is a really really dumb thing to do. Avoiding injury by diffusing conflict is an evolutionary survival mechanism.
Okay. So what has this to do with training?
Dogs don’t want to fight with us for ‘dominance’. Dogs are not interested in rank or hierarchy in the domestic environment. Dominance is about access to resources - you control your dog’s entire life. Their food, their water, their shelter, their happiness - technically you’re already the ‘dominant’ one. If you really want to look at it that way…
The thing is… Dogs know we’re not dogs. Dogs do not see us as dogs. We don’t have tails or ears to mimic their body language and postural positions. So why should we be pushing around, growling, pinning and being a downright bully to our dogs? They don’t see you as another dog. You’re only proving that you’re a scary, unpredictable bully.
When you apply dominance theory to dogs you insert this really horrible, harmful, egotistic mentality that you need to “be the boss” and you need to be aggressive. You also instantly assume that misbehaviour is an attempt to “outrank” you. Which is so so wrong oh god
Dogs are just trying to cope with the challenges in the domestic environment. Misbehaviour such as jumping up occurs because he/she has been unwittingly reinforced for it rather than taught how to sit when guests come through the door. Not because they’re trying to be dominant.
Aggression is often due to underlying anxiety and fear - when you assume it’s because your dog’s “challenging” you and that makes you want to fight it and show it who’s boss by using confrontational and aversive techniques like hitting, growling, alpha rolling ect. All you’re doing is making that underlying anxiety even worse. You’re giving the dog even more reason to react. And sure you might be able to suppress the growling, lunging and barking if you punish it enough. But you haven’t removed the anxiety, the root of the aggression is still there. That’s when you get learned helpless and shut-down. That’s when you get redirected aggression, when you get bites that occur “out of the blue” because the warning signs were punished and suppressed.
Confrontational techniques are aversive - they work by causing pain and fear. We’ve established that dogs do not see us as other dogs - so no, they do not see it as another dog “nipping” them. They see it as you causing them pain or discomfort, which is scary and confronting. And that might cause them to want to defend themselves against you. It is our responsibility to teach our dogs the right behaviours that will allow them to cope in the domestic environment. To reinforce when they get it right and, when they don’t, ask WHY. Work out the root of the problem, don’t just assume oh he’s trying to get the better of me. Because he’s not. Dogs are so much more mentally and cognitively advanced than people give them credit for. They’re not mindless machines out to achieve world domination. Every behaviour has a purpose - it’s your job to find out what caused it and, if it’s undesirable, how you can fix it.
Sorry that got a bit long and convoluted but I hope I got the point across well enough!
Here’s a couple of links for you that further debunk pack theory:
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If anyone out there is craving a D&D like rpg but doesn’t care for D&D for whatever reasons (like, say, you don’t care for the rules heavy nature of it,) but also doesn’t want to play an “old school” game that’s missing big important parts of its rules or uses a weird antiquated system, might I suggest this gem?
I’ve been able to run it about a half dozen times now and its fantastic. The rules are simple and easy to learn but there’s a lot of complexity in the system. It has a lot of modern sensibilities without being bogged down with rules (like a better morality system, a simple system to encourage roleplaying, more logical but simpler stats, etc.) My players have really enjoyed it.
Some things that people used to 3.5/pf and 4e might not like: it’s VERY lethal, hit points dont raise with level and weapons can do significant damage. Specialty abilities start out very weak. The abilities in the game are intentionally broad and generic which allows players a lot of flexibility but can be difficult for someone used to more precise systems.
But its a game that focuses on fun roleplaying and not system mastery, but has enough crunch to have fun battles and player growth.
More people should play it so the studio gets more money and can make more supplements for it.
Also it uses percentiles and dice curves instead of d20s, which is awesome cuz d20s are the worst.
1- I am glorious above all things 2- Eat when hungry, sleep when sleepy, play when bored 3- Affection is given and received on my terms and only mine 4- Show displeasure clearly. 5- NO 6- Demand the things you want. If they aren’t given, demand them again, but louder this time. 7- If you are touched when you don’t want to be, say so. If they continue to touch you, make them bleed.
America is some fucked up dystopian shit honestly like how are y’all even surviving? Paying for healthcare? $60,000 on tuition? POC getting shot in Wal-Marts? White men shooting up elementary schools? That’s terrifying I’m worried about all of you
America doesn’t seem that terribly horrible when you live here day to day and you’ve known nothing else but when somebody says something like this it fucks you up really good.
I am so totally not kidding when I say I’m worried about you guys, and when I’m putting Republicans (which I kinda osmose with all the Tea Partiers, Rightist nuts, White Supremacists, Ultra-religious, Gun nuts, Quiverfullists, anti-abortionists, capitalist fatcats, etc. ) on the same list as earthquakes, huricanes and tornadoes, disasters which I’m afraid might befall you.
i think my main problem w high fantasy elves is that they often take their template from tolkien elves, which are elves designed to compliment/”fit in” with classic english (notions of) forests, while as an aussie my idea of forests are
and i dont know about you guys but they just give me a really different feel as to the types of elves that would live there
ok this would be a really cool project to design a bunch of elves for all the different kinds of forests
imagine bony mangrove swamp elves with big webby fingers and toes and short salt-crusted hair, or the elves of the pacific northwest rainforests who are big fat bastards in cedarbark cloaks and bearskins
I feel the OP so much. I’ve also grown up on a diet of books/media that would always have forests of oaks and other huge, leafy trees in which one could climb, or hide behind, and with enough space between trees for unicorns to cavort… And then I’d look around me while at our forest camp and see this:
Conifers, conifers and more conifers (with an occasional white birch to liven things up) as far as the eye can see, and not even pretty ones; mostly ugly black spruces whose branches look dead and needle-less until two-thirds their height. …and with occasional wet areas/swamps/bogs where the trees get even creepier
Good luck hiding a magical Elven city in the treetops of these, heck, good luck just walking in there without getting your long flowing Elven locks snarled in the tangle of sharp, barbed spruce branches everywhere.
I mean, the boreal forest also has great beauty:
But it’s a far cry from what I’ve always seen represented in the books I’d read and the movies I’d watch and the illustrations I’d see…
So when I’d draw my fantasy stories I’d draw oaks and shit even tough I’d never saw one that hadn’t been planted by humans in their backyard or the such… I would mix in a few conifers too, but, yeah…
do you ever put on a really nice but kind of daring outfit and at first you’re like “HELL YEAH” but then you look in the mirror a few times and start being like “hell… yeah….” and then you turn to the side and adjust the top and frown and be like “aw hell” and finally just change into like jeans and a tee bc one day you will wear that rockin outfit but today is not that day
This is the saddest and accurate thing I have ever read.